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I posted that cartoon yesterday, and then today at work we were talking about the inequality of nudity on TV, and I got to thinking that actually, this is important. Haven does pretty good on equal nudity stakes -- without showing the details in its case -- because Eric Balfour will get his kit off at the drop of a hat and even Lucas Bryant has been naked more times than Emily Rose has, but a few women at work have stopped watching Game of Thrones because they're sick and tired of all the gratuitous naked women with no naked men to balance things out.
I think it's pretty obvious that I think nudity taboos are crappy and annoying anyway. *cough* and don't really waste an opportunity to let everyone get naked in my fic. The art's a bit different because I don't really know how to post it on Tumblr, which is the main platform that gets any kind of response on the art, and when I was reading the regulations it seemed to read like I'd be in danger of getting slapped with an adult rating for the whole blog if I tagged even one post NSFW, which I don't want, and since I don't really understand the rules I've been cautious. Hence Nathan had a shirt in his hands in yesterday's pic and I've avoided showing female nipples or both genitals. I do wonder if yesterday's pic, and the other two that have had complete nudity in them, were too much in a lot of peoples' minds, though. But I refuse to mark for caution alone's sake a picture in which no intimate body parts are on display and the people depicted are not doing anything sexual.
There aren't words for how much I think that I shouldn't have to worry. Art! Art gets away with allll the nudity. Female bodies everywhere! Total male nude sculpture. Why ok for artistic nudity but not real nudity? But a lot of fandom takes its cues from the TV on its forums, on where it draws the line of "mature content", and I've been chewed out before for posting a doujinshi cover without a cut tag that had top-half female nudity drawn in the most simple of line styles. Basically it was a curved line with a pink dot on it. And yet, no! No breasts! No nipples! Far too indecent for public view!
Anyway, back to TV and it's inequality in presenting nude men and women -- which I think, by and large, is problematic mostly in the "mature" bracket (and honestly I seriously question female breasts being in that bracket. BREAST-FEEDING, f'r crying out loud) -- the only mainstream (ie. non-actual-porn) program, on mainstream tv, that I remember showing a proper full grown real live penis properly on it was a documentary several years back about the human body, which had one bouncing happily in the beginning introduction voice-over. Even the movies that are supposed to be really racy only give a fleeting glimpse.
And it seems to be that the problem is having the idea out in the open that women might want to see full-frontal, might want to see whole male bodies on screen... well that is considered in itself almost an indecent and taboo thought. It's okay to have all the female flesh on view for the male audience, but not allowed to acknowledge that women might want vice-versa. There's something of a perception out there that women don't want to see male genitalia anyway, which kind of... I wonder how much that's social programming? I know there's an *ew, shudder* reaction out there. I don't want to dismiss it for the women that think that. I just wonder how it comes about. Why there's a need to think and state that part of the male body is ugly/repellent/not interesting even to women attracted to men?
So it's this sort of thing that starts me thinking that the world will never be equal until the balance is evened out in the mass media in how we perceive and are allowed to display the bodies of both sexes. Which makes this issue -- which is probably easily dismissed or trivialised or even rationalised next to more harmful inequalities -- pretty important and real. Because it's one of those that has the potential to stick around "for decency's sake" long after other problem things are attempting to be dealt with and sorted.
Anyway, this isn't my field, I just think it's really interesting/slightly scary when dug into and I have strong opinions on the nudity subject.
I think it's pretty obvious that I think nudity taboos are crappy and annoying anyway. *cough* and don't really waste an opportunity to let everyone get naked in my fic. The art's a bit different because I don't really know how to post it on Tumblr, which is the main platform that gets any kind of response on the art, and when I was reading the regulations it seemed to read like I'd be in danger of getting slapped with an adult rating for the whole blog if I tagged even one post NSFW, which I don't want, and since I don't really understand the rules I've been cautious. Hence Nathan had a shirt in his hands in yesterday's pic and I've avoided showing female nipples or both genitals. I do wonder if yesterday's pic, and the other two that have had complete nudity in them, were too much in a lot of peoples' minds, though. But I refuse to mark for caution alone's sake a picture in which no intimate body parts are on display and the people depicted are not doing anything sexual.
There aren't words for how much I think that I shouldn't have to worry. Art! Art gets away with allll the nudity. Female bodies everywhere! Total male nude sculpture. Why ok for artistic nudity but not real nudity? But a lot of fandom takes its cues from the TV on its forums, on where it draws the line of "mature content", and I've been chewed out before for posting a doujinshi cover without a cut tag that had top-half female nudity drawn in the most simple of line styles. Basically it was a curved line with a pink dot on it. And yet, no! No breasts! No nipples! Far too indecent for public view!
Anyway, back to TV and it's inequality in presenting nude men and women -- which I think, by and large, is problematic mostly in the "mature" bracket (and honestly I seriously question female breasts being in that bracket. BREAST-FEEDING, f'r crying out loud) -- the only mainstream (ie. non-actual-porn) program, on mainstream tv, that I remember showing a proper full grown real live penis properly on it was a documentary several years back about the human body, which had one bouncing happily in the beginning introduction voice-over. Even the movies that are supposed to be really racy only give a fleeting glimpse.
And it seems to be that the problem is having the idea out in the open that women might want to see full-frontal, might want to see whole male bodies on screen... well that is considered in itself almost an indecent and taboo thought. It's okay to have all the female flesh on view for the male audience, but not allowed to acknowledge that women might want vice-versa. There's something of a perception out there that women don't want to see male genitalia anyway, which kind of... I wonder how much that's social programming? I know there's an *ew, shudder* reaction out there. I don't want to dismiss it for the women that think that. I just wonder how it comes about. Why there's a need to think and state that part of the male body is ugly/repellent/not interesting even to women attracted to men?
So it's this sort of thing that starts me thinking that the world will never be equal until the balance is evened out in the mass media in how we perceive and are allowed to display the bodies of both sexes. Which makes this issue -- which is probably easily dismissed or trivialised or even rationalised next to more harmful inequalities -- pretty important and real. Because it's one of those that has the potential to stick around "for decency's sake" long after other problem things are attempting to be dealt with and sorted.
Anyway, this isn't my field, I just think it's really interesting/slightly scary when dug into and I have strong opinions on the nudity subject.